#46 - Lucha Libre Fans

Episode 10 October 13, 2017 01:07:26
#46 - Lucha Libre Fans
Fanthropological
#46 - Lucha Libre Fans
/

Show Notes

What is it about those high-flying, high-energy performers that get fans so worked up? And why isn't there more of this amazing sport elsewhere in the world (perhaps there is)? This week, we're talking about fans of Lucha Libre! Next week, we'll be looking at the Korean Wave, specifically, at fans of K-pop (in Brazil)?! [// Vámonos cabrón! ]: # [// Va-monos cabron]: # ## Episode outline ### Fandom Facts **Origins:** Lucha Libre, literally "Free fight" in English, refers to a form of professional wrestling developed in Mexico. It is often characterized by its colourful masks, rapid moves, and "high-flying" maneuvers. Lucha libre wrestlers are known as luchadores (literally, wrestlers). Lucha libre wrestling dates back to 1863 during the French intervention into Mexico, developed by Enrique Ugartechea (the first Mexican wrestler) from Greco-Roman wrestling. However, it probably wasn't until the 1930s with the foundation of the Empresa Mexicana de Lucha Libre (Mexican Wrestling Enterprise) that the sport gained a national foothold. It wasn't until the 1940s when the iconic idea of the masked wrestler entered into the sport. In 1942, a silver-masked wrestler, El Santo (The Saint) made his debut in Mexico City and won an 8-man battle royal. His career spanned nearly five decades and he became a folk hero and symbol of justice for the common man. **Fandom Origins:** **Names:** - Lucha Libre - Luchador - Mexican Wrestling [// Most matches feature a battle between two main archetypes: “rudos,” with stocky, brutish frames, versus “técnicos,” who are generally more athletic to make up for their smaller size. Bad versus good. .. But perhaps most unique about lucha libre is the advent of a particular type of técnico: wrestlers dressed in drag, as seen above, known as “exóticos.” ]: # **Most Active:** It's always hard to measure the activity of a fandom; looking at [Google Trends data since 2004](https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=%2Fm%2F03zd5x,lucha%20libre), the sport has enjoyed a lot of variation in popularity. It would make sense to guess that it is less popular now than towards the 1950s and 1960s (given the proliferation of media around characters such as El Santo), but even looking at the Google Trends data, there have been ebbs and flows in popularity. In particular, a rise in interest around October 2006, and again in January 2016. **Size of Fandom:** > ... the biggest two or three lucha libre events of the year can attract crowds of 17,000, most weekly fights see attendances of between 1,000 and 3,000 people, with tickets costing about 300 pesos. > > — [BBC - Mexican wrestling grapples to secure a bright future](http://www.bbc.com/news/business-33064625) As a rough estimate, there are probably at least a hundred thousand fans of Lucha Libre. However, there may be overlap with other wrestling fandoms. **Around the world:** Interest in Lucha Libre is likely more global than from its outset. Though the majority of interest in the sport stems from Mexico, there is a lot of interest from other tropical (and in particular, latin) parts of the world: Puerto Rico, Nicaragua, Ecuador, Dominican Republic, Guatemala, and Bolivia, for example. **Related fandoms:** - WWE - Japanese Wrestling [// Fast forward 26 years, and Mexican wrestlers still don't get paid very much, particularly in comparison with the stars of the US behemoth that is World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE). For while WWE wrestlers can easily pocket $2m (£1.3m) a year, the best lucha libre fighters earn about $1,600 at the largest weekly events, and most are paid significantly less. ]: # [// As a result, Lucha Libre AAA's annual turnover is about $20m, compared with $500m at WWE. ]: # ### [Last Episode's](http://fanthropological.com/e/45-hatsune-miku-fans/) Famous Last Words **Z** Why are masks important to Lucha Libre? **T** In mask, out of mask... Bruce Wayne like character, never in the same place at the same time. **G** In American Wrestling, working on a limb ... always the left side. Lucha Libre: always the right side. Why? ### The Verdict **T is out.** **Z is out... but is going to check out Lucha Underground** **G is in!** ### This week's spotlight **[Wrestling for Charity](https://wfcwrestling.wordpress.com/)** Located in North Carolina and founded in 2005, WFC is a not-for-profit that raises money for a variety of different organizations. > The mission of Wrestling For Charity LLC is to bring a positive fan and family experience to wrestling enthusiasts, while raising money and awareness for community organizations and causes. > > — [Wrestling for Charity - Homepage](https://wfcwrestling.wordpress.com/) [// Plugs go here ]: # ### Famous Last Words This week's famous last words around *next week's* fandom, K-pop (in Brazil)! **Z** K-pop is so popular in Brazil ... after door was opened by K-dramas. **G** K-pop is popular in Brazil because of a song or band uses Brazillian rhythms (or that appeal to Brazillian listeners). **T** K-pop became popular in Brazil because of a legal ban that was lifted, and K-pop happened to be popular among that. ## Where can I learn more about (Guest)? More information about guest ## Where can you find us online? We are everywhere! Most notably though, we like to hang out in a few places on social media: - If you want to help us to create more amazing fannish content, become a patron on [Patreon](http://patreon.com/thenickscast); even as little as a dollar a month pledge really helps us out! - If you want to be part of our podcast (or just want to check us out), we record our podcast LIVE on [twitch.tv](http://twitch.tv/thenickscast) every monday at 20:00 Eastern Time! - For all the latest updates, check us out on [Facebook](https://facebook.com/thenickscast) or [Twitter](https://twitter.com/thenickscast) - To see the latest hijinx from our conventions or even our daily lives and adventures, check us out on [Instagram](https://instagram.com/thenickscast) - For our latest convention updates, *Let's Plays*, and other in-real-life video, [check out our YouTube channel](http://youtube.com/thenickscast) - We're also on [iTunes](https://itunes.apple.com/podcast/fanthropological/id1163621210), and [Google Play](https://play.google.com/music/m/Icmngxz7yhaoivdvivvf6q6c2pu?t=Fanthropological), and would love it if you could leave a review and rating! - if you want to reach us, and for some reason none of those work for you, try [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected]) - You can check out [our website](http://thenickscast.com); that will mostly bring you back to this stuff. - Everything is `thenickscast`, so if you can't find us, go on your social network and search for that! - ... You're still looking for ways to reach out? You can also use the hashtag `#fanthro` on Twitter! ## What is "Fanthropological"? How did you read this far without asking this question?! Fanthropological is an anthropological (ish) podcast where we bring the fan's-eye view to you! Each week, we take a look at a different fandom, dig up interesting background, trivia, and history, and try to get to why it is that people are a fan. We also try to highlight good causes related to that fandom, and find interesting things that fans have created to share those to the world. Each episode is about an hour. Ish. ## Who is "The Nickscast"? *We* are the Nickscast! Three products of late-80s / early-90s pop culture who love exploring fandom and everything geek ... who also happen to have been best buddies since high school, and all happen to be named Nick. Yes, we are super creative. Dare we say, the most creative. *Ahem* We are Nick Green, Nick Terwoord, and Nick Zacharewicz: We started the Nickscast as a labour of love, and as a place to entertain and to discuss our love of fans and fandom, and all that is shiny and interesting in that realm. It's what lead us to start our first podcast, our satellite podcasts, Fanthropological, and so much more. We want to help others learn more about different fandoms, and to create empathy with other fans: We dream of a world where other fans aren't "those Weird-o's", but just folks with different tastes. A world where fandom is full of discourse and analysis, and there are plenty of tools and resources to help. Fans building communities to do good in the world. *Because everyone's a fan.* ## Credits ### Sources - [Wikipedia - Lucha Libre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucha_libre) - [BBC - Mexican wrestling grapples to secure a bright future](http://www.bbc.com/news/business-33064625) - [ThinkProgress - A Night At ‘Lucha Libre,’ Wrestling That Makes WWE Seem Like Sesame Street](https://thinkprogress.org/a-night-at-lucha-libre-wrestling-that-makes-wwe-seem-like-sesame-street-5c2a1dc34493/) - [NPR - In Mexico, The Crowd Loves To Hate Pro Wrestler Who Plays Trump Supporter](http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2017/02/07/513883586/in-mexico-the-crowd-loves-to-hate-pro-wrestler-who-plays-trump-supporter) - [The Culture Trip - The Lucha Libre: A Brief History Of Mexican Wrestling](https://theculturetrip.com/north-america/mexico/articles/the-lucha-libre-a-brief-history-of-mexican-wrestling/) - [Vantage - The Grisly Spectacle of Lucha Libre Extrema](https://medium.com/vantage/the-grisly-spectacle-of-lucha-libre-extrema-cb4b60213af4) - [CoachMag.co.uk - Why Lucha Libre is better than the WWE](http://www.coachmag.co.uk/entertainment/5523/why-lucha-libre-is-better-than-the-wwe) - [NPR - In Mexico, The Crowd Loves to Hate Pro Wrestler Who Plays Trump Supporter](http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2017/02/07/513883586/in-mexico-the-crowd-loves-to-hate-pro-wrestler-who-plays-trump-supporter) - [How Stuff Works - How Mexican Wrestling Works](http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/mexican-wrestling.htm) - [ABC7 - The History of the Lucha Libre Mask Traces Back Hundreds of Years](http://abc7ny.com/society/the-lucha-libre-mask-traces-back-hundreds-of-years/1412999/) - [Mexican Poncho - Mexican Wrestling Masks History](https://www.mexicanponcho.com.au/history-mexican-wrestling-masks/) - [Quora - What Does the Mask Symbolize in Mexican Wrestling?](https://www.quora.com/What-does-the-mask-symbolize-in-Mexican-wrestling) - [LaAficion.com - Why Do We Like Wrestling?](https://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://laaficion.milenio.com/firmas/cuachara_luchagor/gusta-lucha-libre_18_288751161.html&prev=search) - [YouTube - Lucha Libre Wrestling in the Bronx](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpNzER4qvqI) - [Wikipedia - Santo](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santo) - [r/ SquaredCircle - What does it mean to "work the right side" as a style?](https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/t4mtu/what_does_it_mean_to_work_the_right_side_as_a/) - [Could anyone explain some the differences between Japanese and Mexican wrestling?](https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/1fciwc/could_anyone_explain_some_the_differences_between/) ### Music / Sound - All music and sound for this week's episode were provided by Nick Green! ### Artwork - ["Glasses"](https://thenounproject.com/term/glasses/132894) by [Anton Anuchin](https://thenounproject.com/antonwebium) used under [CC BY 3.0](http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/us/) - ["Wrestling Mask"](https://thenounproject.com/term/wrestling-mask/197443) by [Javier Triana](https://thenounproject.com/Javier.Reborn) used under [CC BY 3.0](http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/us/)

Other Episodes

Episode 3

February 28, 2020 00:28:56
Episode Cover

What makes a good tabletop experience?

Combined, we’ve been playing tabletop games (let’s admit it, mostly Dungeons and Dragons) for decades, but what is it about a game that takes it from a good one, to a great one? We try to answer the question “what makes a great tabletop experience?” (And the answer _isn’t_ everyone starting on time… though it should be!). We cover… * The lack of importance of verisimilitude * The importance of not know what to expect * The importance of exploration ...And more! ## Episode Outline **Topics:** Min-maxed characters don’t matter, verisimilitude doesn’t matter, the importance of not knowing what to expect, improv, subverting tropes, making the game your own, plot and narrative, exploration, creating a shared experience, wonderm supporting each other, creating opportunities to grow, not (always) winning… and consequences! ## Where can I get updates? If you want to follow us on social media, we’ve got you covered: * Facebook: [facebook.com/fanthropological](https://facebook.com/fanthropological) * Twitter: [@fanthropologic](https://twitter.com/fanthropologic) And of course, we can be found where all fine podcasts are found (e.g. [Spotify](https://open.spotify.com/show/2IVp8MBIUyCqlKyZn79iHn), [Apple Podcasts](https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/fanthropological/id1163621210?mt=2), [Google Podcasts](https://www.google.com/podcasts?feed=aHR0cDovL2ZlZWRzLnBvZGlhbnQuY28vZmFudGhyb3BvbG9naWNhbC9yc3MueG1s)). Oh, and here at [fanthropological.com](https://fanthropological.com) ## What is Fanthropological? Every week, our podcast, Fanthropological, delivers about an hour of fandom-related "fanalysis" covering a different fandom every week and giving you hard data, history, special guests, and, of course, speculation! We cover topics spanning the gamut of anime, manga, comics, video games, comics, movies, books, television, and, in general, geek culture. ## Who are you? We are the Nickscast! Three products of late-80s / early-90s pop culture who love exploring fandom and everything geek … who also happen to have been best buddies since high school, and all happen to be named Nick. We started the Nickscast as a labour of love, and ...

Listen

Episode 1

January 13, 2017 01:05:24
Episode Cover

#13 - Star Wars Fans

It's a new season, and what better than to draw parallels to our first season by talking about Star Wars fans! What do you call Star Wars fans? Is there really a big difference between them and Star Trek fans? How have they kept fans interested in the 40 years of Star Wars?? May the force be with you on this week's episode! Everyone's a fan! Want to see more awesome fandom content? [Become a Patron on Patreon!](http://patreon.com/thenickscast) Find more like this: [fanthropological.com](http://fanthropological.com) Find us on social media Twitter: [@thenickscast](http://twitter.com/thenickscast) Instagram: [@thenickscast](http://instagram.com/thenickscast) Facebook: [fb.com/thenickscast](http://fb.com/thenickscast) Youtube: [youtube.com/thenickscast](http://youtube.com/thenickscast) Email us about fandoms you want to hear about: [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected]) Play-by-play 00:07 - Theme Song 00:00 - Introduction 01:27 - Who are Star Wars Fans? 03:34 - Trivia 20:06 - Why are people fans of Star Wars? 38:36 - Gender segregation in (Star Wars) Fandom 44:09 - Fans of the week 56:07 - Spotlight: [The 501st Legion!](http://www.501st.com/) 59:32 - Where can I learn more about Fanthropological / The Nickscast 1:01:19 - Outtakes Citations ["Meet the Star Wars Fans Who Lined Up Two Weeks Before the Premiere"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuVrWbc9ijo) ["Why we love Star Wars: an explainer for 'normal' people"](http://www.wired.co.uk/article/why-i-love-star-wars-explained) ["People Watch Star Wars For The First Time | Syfy Wire"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BVxK0GUpWI) ["I watched all 6 'Star Wars' films for the first time, in one sitting"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ni7mxRCBrA) ["STAR WARS subreddit, I need your help! Why do you love STAR WARS?"](https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/34agxp/star_wars_subreddit_i_need_your_help_why_do_you/) ["This Is What It's Like To Watch Star Wars For The First Time"](https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/34agxp/star_wars_subreddit_i_need_your_help_why_do_you/) ["'I Got Emotional Reading This': Diego Luna Shares Touching 'Star Wars' Fan Tribute to Importance of Diversity"](http://ktla.com/2017/01/04/i-got-emotional-reading-this-diego-luna-shares- touching-star-wars-fan-tribute-to-importance-of-diversity/) ["An Unofficial 'Star Wars' Convention in England Was Incredibly Depressing"](https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/people-are-really-mad-at-an-unofficial-star-wars-convention-because-dreams-are-very-foolish-109) ["Carrie Fisher's Unsung Legacy"](http://legit-writing-tips.tumblr.com/post/155032253840/carrie-fishers-unsung-legacy) ["Culture Wars"](https://thewalrus.ca/culture-wars/) ["Fanlore - Don't Call Me ...

Listen

Episode 5

March 27, 2020 00:21:20
Episode Cover

Is fandom a key part of our identity?

Fandom has changed a lot, and over time has gone from something on the fringe of society to the forefront. Does that also mean that fandom has moved towards a key part, an integral piece of people’s personal identity? In this episode, we dig a bit about representation and self-identification as well as: * What does being a fan of something even mean?! * The (non) importance of level of participation in (self) identification * Conversations that are strangely lacking self-awareness about the parallels of fan self-identification as compared to other areas of self-identification, closeting… etc. And more! All in under thirty minutes. ## Episode Outline **Topics:** How do people identify themselves, the meaninglessness of the word fan, the difference between interests and fandoms… sort of, the difference between liking something and having it be a part of your identity, interests between people don’t inherently mean connections, how community contribution or participation impact perceptions of identity, the importance of self-identification and self-labelling, the desire to put things (and people) in boxes, labels as shorthand for characteristics, stereotypes, feeling closeted in your hobbies, aspirational vs actual identities ## Where can I get updates? If you want to follow us on social media, we’ve got you covered: * Facebook: [facebook.com/fanthropological](https://facebook.com/fanthropological) * Twitter: [@fanthropologic](https://twitter.com/fanthropologic) And of course, we can be found where all fine podcasts are found (e.g. [Spotify](https://open.spotify.com/show/2IVp8MBIUyCqlKyZn79iHn), [Apple Podcasts](https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/fanthropological/id1163621210?mt=2), [Google Podcasts](https://www.google.com/podcasts?feed=aHR0cDovL2ZlZWRzLnBvZGlhbnQuY28vZmFudGhyb3BvbG9naWNhbC9yc3MueG1s)). Oh, and here at [fanthropological.com](https://fanthropological.com) ## Special Announcement: Livestream for the Cure 4 The 4th Annual Livestream for the Cure (or the Livestream 4 the Cure?) has been scheduled for FORTY-EIGHT HOURS from May 28th thru the 31st, with a small four hour kick-off event scheduled for the evening before to do final ...

Listen